Comments on: TimeVault Progress Update http://blog.chatonka.com/2009/12/timevault-progress-update/ Climb On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 10:31:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: gerlos http://blog.chatonka.com/2009/12/timevault-progress-update/comment-page-1/#comment-21970 gerlos Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:32:45 +0000 http://blog.chatonka.com/?p=220#comment-21970 It's looking good! Well done! Please keep it integrated with KDE. Sorry, maybe I missed that bit of info... does it support network and local storage for backup? Say, you have a big NAS on your network, and want to save your backups there (I have this at work). Or you have a big spare disk on your desktop pc and want to save your backups there (I have this configuration at home). As you see, I'm quite interested ;-) IMHO it also should do some "smart" backup removing, when the backup file system is full, leaving one copy of last week's backup and (if available) one copy of last month's backup, and so on, since you're likely want to restore something from yesterday's backup or last month's backup, but most of the time you won't care to restore something from *exactly* 42 days ago. It’s looking good! Well done!
Please keep it integrated with KDE.

Sorry, maybe I missed that bit of info… does it support network and local storage for backup?

Say, you have a big NAS on your network, and want to save your backups there (I have this at work). Or you have a big spare disk on your desktop pc and want to save your backups there (I have this configuration at home). As you see, I’m quite interested ;-)

IMHO it also should do some “smart” backup removing, when the backup file system is full, leaving one copy of last week’s backup and (if available) one copy of last month’s backup, and so on, since you’re likely want to restore something from yesterday’s backup or last month’s backup, but most of the time you won’t care to restore something from *exactly* 42 days ago.

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By: DImble http://blog.chatonka.com/2009/12/timevault-progress-update/comment-page-1/#comment-14690 DImble Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:52:45 +0000 http://blog.chatonka.com/?p=220#comment-14690 Re: Trucrypt Container Files. sorry if i confused matters. i would like to be able to use your back up utility to manually backup my TC container when it is dismounted. at the moment i delete the file and re-copy it across to my USB drive, but it would be great if i could click "update SDA2" and have it quickly adjust the backup for the diffs between the main container and the container on the USB drive. is that possible? Re: Trucrypt Container Files.

sorry if i confused matters.

i would like to be able to use your back up utility to manually backup my TC container when it is dismounted.

at the moment i delete the file and re-copy it across to my USB drive, but it would be great if i could click “update SDA2″ and have it quickly adjust the backup for the diffs between the main container and the container on the USB drive.

is that possible?

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By: astromme http://blog.chatonka.com/2009/12/timevault-progress-update/comment-page-1/#comment-14546 astromme Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:32:03 +0000 http://blog.chatonka.com/?p=220#comment-14546 @fri13 Hey sorry, apparently I forgot to push my changes from my local checkout on my laptop. Things should be updated now. @fri13
Hey sorry, apparently I forgot to push my changes from my local checkout on my laptop. Things should be updated now.

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By: Fri13 http://blog.chatonka.com/2009/12/timevault-progress-update/comment-page-1/#comment-14539 Fri13 Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:58:21 +0000 http://blog.chatonka.com/?p=220#comment-14539 @astromme I just pulled the mainline first time. Plan was just test the UI to get more accurate understanding. Not to use it for real backup. I still use manually done work =) (and for adding more name suggestion based Finnish, a slang verb "kopsata" for the action/verb "kopioida".) @astromme

I just pulled the mainline first time. Plan was just test the UI to get more accurate understanding. Not to use it for real backup. I still use manually done work =)

(and for adding more name suggestion based Finnish, a slang verb “kopsata” for the action/verb “kopioida”.)

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By: astromme http://blog.chatonka.com/2009/12/timevault-progress-update/comment-page-1/#comment-14538 astromme Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:08:16 +0000 http://blog.chatonka.com/?p=220#comment-14538 @Fri13 I updated the README yesterday, are you sure that you got the most recent version? Also I want to stress that this is not going to be ready for use yet. I wish it were, I need the app as much as anyone else. I'm glad people are excited to try/test it out but I guarantee you that it's not ready. @lefty.crupps No it uses rdiff-backup behind the scenes. You should google that, it uses reverse diffs rather than symlinks and new folder hierarchies. @Dimble Sorry it won't be able to continuously backup an encrypted truecrypt container. Although I'm slightly confused by what you mean, so maybe I just misunderstand? @Fri13
I updated the README yesterday, are you sure that you got the most recent version?

Also I want to stress that this is not going to be ready for use yet. I wish it were, I need the app as much as anyone else. I’m glad people are excited to try/test it out but I guarantee you that it’s not ready.

@lefty.crupps
No it uses rdiff-backup behind the scenes. You should google that, it uses reverse diffs rather than symlinks and new folder hierarchies.

@Dimble
Sorry it won’t be able to continuously backup an encrypted truecrypt container. Although I’m slightly confused by what you mean, so maybe I just misunderstand?

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By: Fri13 http://blog.chatonka.com/2009/12/timevault-progress-update/comment-page-1/#comment-14536 Fri13 Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:25:03 +0000 http://blog.chatonka.com/?p=220#comment-14536 Just pulled from GIT and compiled fine but I found few problems. 1. Readme said about building daemon first. By first mkdir build, then cmake .. and then cd daemon. But the daemon directory is not created. But I tried make -j 2 and everything went fine and installed. 2. The Timevault does not show up on system settings. Not even I relogin. There is a command timevault and timevault-backup but last one gives something and stays there, while first one shows a timeview on small window. And how about using name "Kopio" what is Finnish and means a "copy". You could as well use word "Klooni" what means "a Clone". You get K for the KDE SC and even meaning for copy/clone function and respect even for country where Linux OS was born (even that KDE SC runs on other OS's well than just on Linux) =) Just pulled from GIT and compiled fine but I found few problems.

1. Readme said about building daemon first. By first mkdir build, then cmake .. and then cd daemon. But the daemon directory is not created. But I tried make -j 2 and everything went fine and installed.

2. The Timevault does not show up on system settings. Not even I relogin. There is a command timevault and timevault-backup but last one gives something and stays there, while first one shows a timeview on small window.

And how about using name “Kopio” what is Finnish and means a “copy”. You could as well use word “Klooni” what means “a Clone”. You get K for the KDE SC and even meaning for copy/clone function and respect even for country where Linux OS was born (even that KDE SC runs on other OS’s well than just on Linux) =)

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By: Links 15/12/2009: Elive 1.9.52 Released, Nook Liberated | Boycott Novell http://blog.chatonka.com/2009/12/timevault-progress-update/comment-page-1/#comment-14535 Links 15/12/2009: Elive 1.9.52 Released, Nook Liberated | Boycott Novell Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:57:39 +0000 http://blog.chatonka.com/?p=220#comment-14535 [...] TimeVault Progress Update TimeVault is alive! Ok, so maybe it was never really dead. But I’ve found some time to work it and after reworking most of the internals I’ve finally gotten it to back up again. [...] [...] TimeVault Progress Update TimeVault is alive! Ok, so maybe it was never really dead. But I’ve found some time to work it and after reworking most of the internals I’ve finally gotten it to back up again. [...]

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By: lefty.crupps http://blog.chatonka.com/2009/12/timevault-progress-update/comment-page-1/#comment-14532 lefty.crupps Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:29:02 +0000 http://blog.chatonka.com/?p=220#comment-14532 I'd vote for WITH a K in the name, so that we know its a KDE app. Whats with the backlash to branding as a KDE app these days? When I get a KDE app, I know its going to be nicely integrated into my desktop and will have useful features. Name suggestions: Kronos, DataKeeper, or even just KBackup. Oh how about KPasa, sounds like the Spanish '¿qué pasa?' meaning, 'whats going on?' (or KPaso = qué pasó = what happened) This is expected to use symbolic links much like RSnapshot does, correct? So that we can go back in time and have various weekly or monthly backups that don't use extra space unless files change? I’d vote for WITH a K in the name, so that we know its a KDE app. Whats with the backlash to branding as a KDE app these days? When I get a KDE app, I know its going to be nicely integrated into my desktop and will have useful features.

Name suggestions: Kronos, DataKeeper, or even just KBackup. Oh how about KPasa, sounds like the Spanish ‘¿qué pasa?’ meaning, ‘whats going on?’ (or KPaso = qué pasó = what happened)

This is expected to use symbolic links much like RSnapshot does, correct? So that we can go back in time and have various weekly or monthly backups that don’t use extra space unless files change?

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By: Fri13 http://blog.chatonka.com/2009/12/timevault-progress-update/comment-page-1/#comment-14528 Fri13 Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:37:31 +0000 http://blog.chatonka.com/?p=220#comment-14528 This looks promising. Does it then have somekind API to allow other applications to have their files included for it from settings? What comes to the name, I would prefer that there is the K. It makes it clear it belongs to the KDE SC and can not be used on GNOME, we should not be afraid about K. It just makes it right away clear it is for KDE SC, and it is always easier to talk about application when it has a unique name and not typical one. Example, how easy you believe it will be to find with Google with "Time Capsule" or with "Time Kapsule" names?. And when it comes to KDE SC + GNOME situation, I would take this for KDE SC only and then make a own for GNOME. We should follow as much as possible the standards but we can not start developing software for GNOME as well. The GUI does have nice ideas. I just hope it will be possible to add/remove folders/files to be backupped from Dolphin etc. Mayby to get a own sidepanel if not possible to integrate to the Information (F11) panel. It would be same way great to see something similar on Dolphin view what is now in Back in Time KDE4 version, easy way to browse just date and you can browse archives. I would like to see being used a calender view (like plasma widget when clicking a clock) on sidepanel as well and seeing a dates when backups are available (files have changed) and clicking date it would show the file. I really believe that if we get the backup/restore function to the sidepanel of Dolphin, we get normal users to use it more often and easier way. I do not want to search from backups from some external application. I just want to see the last version if needed. That was something what made Apples timemachine so great. It just was so intuitive, even we have had a rsync scripts and other apps for much longer. I was thinking one feature for that external drive thing as well. It is not always enough we do have one backup somewhere. we should have possiblity to have a backup for two different external drives. So it would be like adding a multiple drives as clones. So you would have a system where you have once a month full backup and then you move it away and you backup daily to first backup drive. Then again when you attach the second one you get it synced. So just having added a (1) and (2) icons with numbers somewhere the UI would be nice. And what is very important! Is that when you do not have a drive mounted, it should not create the directories and start backupping there! There are some backup softwares what does not check is the drive mounted or not to the /media/. When the drive is unmounted, the software creates (runs as systemwide as root) /media/backup_drive/wanted_path and fills the /media directory and usually the whole / partition full and normal users starts having lots of problems then. This looks promising. Does it then have somekind API to allow other applications to have their files included for it from settings?

What comes to the name, I would prefer that there is the K. It makes it clear it belongs to the KDE SC and can not be used on GNOME, we should not be afraid about K. It just makes it right away clear it is for KDE SC, and it is always easier to talk about application when it has a unique name and not typical one. Example, how easy you believe it will be to find with Google with “Time Capsule” or with “Time Kapsule” names?.

And when it comes to KDE SC + GNOME situation, I would take this for KDE SC only and then make a own for GNOME. We should follow as much as possible the standards but we can not start developing software for GNOME as well.

The GUI does have nice ideas. I just hope it will be possible to add/remove folders/files to be backupped from Dolphin etc. Mayby to get a own sidepanel if not possible to integrate to the Information (F11) panel. It would be same way great to see something similar on Dolphin view what is now in Back in Time KDE4 version, easy way to browse just date and you can browse archives. I would like to see being used a calender view (like plasma widget when clicking a clock) on sidepanel as well and seeing a dates when backups are available (files have changed) and clicking date it would show the file.

I really believe that if we get the backup/restore function to the sidepanel of Dolphin, we get normal users to use it more often and easier way. I do not want to search from backups from some external application. I just want to see the last version if needed. That was something what made Apples timemachine so great. It just was so intuitive, even we have had a rsync scripts and other apps for much longer.

I was thinking one feature for that external drive thing as well. It is not always enough we do have one backup somewhere. we should have possiblity to have a backup for two different external drives. So it would be like adding a multiple drives as clones. So you would have a system where you have once a month full backup and then you move it away and you backup daily to first backup drive. Then again when you attach the second one you get it synced. So just having added a (1) and (2) icons with numbers somewhere the UI would be nice.

And what is very important! Is that when you do not have a drive mounted, it should not create the directories and start backupping there! There are some backup softwares what does not check is the drive mounted or not to the /media/. When the drive is unmounted, the software creates (runs as systemwide as root) /media/backup_drive/wanted_path and fills the /media directory and usually the whole / partition full and normal users starts having lots of problems then.

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By: DImble http://blog.chatonka.com/2009/12/timevault-progress-update/comment-page-1/#comment-14524 DImble Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:45:11 +0000 http://blog.chatonka.com/?p=220#comment-14524 Is this able to continuously backup a truecrypt container file? If it can that would be awesome. Is this able to continuously backup a truecrypt container file?

If it can that would be awesome.

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